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01/02/2010 09:28:17

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Traffic in parts of Dublin city centre will be restricted to 30km/h from today. The councillors who pushed for the change say it will save lives. Is it a good move or will it slow everything down?

 

from Irish Times:

"The Irish Times - Monday, February 1, 2010

Motorists and environmental groups differ on reduced city-centre limit

TIM O'BRIEN and FRANK McDONALD

AS EXPECTED, motorists have criticised and environmental groups have welcomed the extension of the 30km/h speed limit zone in Dublin city centre.

The AA has described the move as a “misapplication” of speed limits that it said other cities had primarily restricted to residential areas. The Dublin Business Association expressed concerns about car-borne shoppers going elsewhere.

However, the Irish Environmental Network (IEN), the umbrella group for national environmental organisations, commended Dublin City Council for its initiative, saying it “points the way for other city and town councils”.

The Dublin Cycling Campaign noted that the areas affected by the new speed limit were “rich in pedestrians, shoppers, children and, at night, revellers”; in some places, pedestrians often well outnumbered motorists.

The campaign cited a study published recently by the British Medical Journal which found a reduction to a 20mph (32km/h) limit led to a 40 per cent fall in casualties and collisions over a 20-year period to 2006.

But the campaign also said motorists could benefit from the change: “When 30km/h zones were introduced in Germany, car drivers on average had to change gear 12 per cent less often, use their brakes 14 per cent less often and required 12 per cent less fuel,” it said.

A drive around Dublin city centre yesterday revealed motorists having little difficulty with low speeds in some areas, while in others attempts to travel within the speed limit provoked considerable ire, including that of bus and taxi drivers.

The first new speed limit sign encountered was on the corner of Tara and Pearse streets at the entrance to the lower speed limit zone. Driving within the new speed limit caused other vehicles to move out from behind and overtake, but in light traffic this seemed not to present a difficulty.

On the city quays westbound, however, other motorists appeared impatient to get to red lights quickly and there was little evidence of the council’s promised “green wave of traffic lights”. It was difficult to restrict speed to what appeared to be a funeral pace, as the impression that one was in the way was keenly felt.

On Wellington Quay a white “ghost bike” was chained to the railings, a pertinent reminder of the numbers of cyclists who have been killed in city centre collisions. A taxi driver behind flashed his headlights and ultimately moved out and overtook.

The car speedometer was calibrated both in kilometres and miles per hour and it was difficult to get used to the idea that while travelling at 20mph, the car was over the speed limit.

City-centre bound from Heuston Station, a large illuminated sign on Wolf Tone Quay warned motorists of the impending restriction. All traffic zoomed past on the way to O’Connell Street, most of it ignoring the restriction sign.

On O’Connell Street, realising the bus lane operates on a seven-day basis, we signalled and pulled in front of a foreign-registered car. The driver’s hands weaved as we immediately reduced speed to 30km/h. Everything behind us was doing 30km/h or less, but traffic ahead receded into the distance. It was like driving a hearse.

Parnell Square and O’Connell Street southbound presented no opportunity to travel at speeds above the limit. But on the southside at Kildare Street, few if any vehicles were travelling at 30km/h. It is to be hoped nobody speeds out of Leinster House."


  

01/02/2010 09:37:40

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In a real country there'd be lots of accessible public transport so that it would make more sense to the individual to leave their car outside the city and take the bus/tram.


  

01/02/2010 16:53:27

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Taxi drivers slam Dublin 30kph speed-limit move


The Irish Taxi Drivers Federation has described as "stupid" and "ridiculous" the new 30kph speed limit in Dublin City Centre.

The limit came into effect this morning in areas around the city, from Bolton Street on the northside to St Stephen's Green on the southside.

Road safety chiefs say the move will make our roads safer and save lives.

President of the Irish Taxi Drivers Federation John Usher hit back by saying the change had not been properly thought out and that "rickshaws will be passing out taxis" as a result.



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01/02/2010 16:58:50

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I would have thought the taxi drivers would have loved it? like they drive slower, the longer you're in the car, the more they make, no?

  

01/02/2010 17:01:53

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30kph sounds excessively slow. I know i'd struggle with it!

  

01/02/2010 18:11:21

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Brilliant! (if the police consistently enforced any traffic violations in this state, especially ones they came out against).

  

01/02/2010 22:38:47

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a mate of mine got 2 penalty points and a fine at 8am this morning in town .he was coming down the quays from heuston stn and was done ,doing 32km .how fuckin mad is that

  

01/02/2010 22:45:45

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Ladeeda said :

a mate of mine got 2 penalty points and a fine at 8am this morning in town .he was coming down the quays from heuston stn and was done ,doing 32km .how fuckin mad is that

Crazy mad. It's so marginal it must've been maddening for him.

I tried keeping 30kph earlier just to see what it was like, and it was awful! i felt like a snail!


  

01/02/2010 23:20:55

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What really surprises me is the fact that anyone can get up to 30Kph in the city centre during the day. and on certain nights not that their now is a speed limit of 30kph

  

01/02/2010 23:25:40

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Badly thought out, backed up with bullshit (you use MORE fuel doing 30km/h than 50km/h, for instance), generally unenforcable. They can't provide a figure for any road deaths that would have been prevented by people sticking to a 30 limit in the area it covers vs. a 50 limit - mainly becauses there has been very very few! Cyclists usually get killed in very low speed incidents with large vehicles and pedestrians usually get killed by trying to cross in front of traffic that was going over the 50 limit to begin with.

Expect the limit along the quays and O'Connell Street to be forced back to 50km/h in a turf war betwen the council (who want 30) and the NRA (who control those roads as they're the N4 and N1 respectively, and want 50). And then expect masses of fines to be thrown out due to mass confusion about what the limits actually are.


  

01/02/2010 23:47:27

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Absolutely ridiculous!! It's hard enough to drive at 50 on certain roads, 30 is actually insane! Fair enough when the roads are busy, you're kinda kept to that speed, but when other cars that can't be bothered with the speed limit are whizzing past ye just feel like an eejit crawling along at a granny's pace like!!

Glad I don't really drive into town that often due to the cost of parking on top of the petrol costs, the bus really is the cheaper option..

 

Oh, my mam is driving us into town tomorrow, so it'll be interesting to see what it feels like with the new limit!


  

01/02/2010 23:51:22

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+1

Tweek said :

Badly thought out, backed up with bullshit (you use MORE fuel doing 30km/h than 50km/h, for instance), generally unenforcable. They can't provide a figure for any road deaths that would have been prevented by people sticking to a 30 limit in the area it covers vs. a 50 limit - mainly becauses there has been very very few! Cyclists usually get killed in very low speed incidents with large vehicles and pedestrians usually get killed by trying to cross in front of traffic that was going over the 50 limit to begin with.

Expect the limit along the quays and O'Connell Street to be forced back to 50km/h in a turf war betwen the council (who want 30) and the NRA (who control those roads as they're the N4 and N1 respectively, and want 50). And then expect masses of fines to be thrown out due to mass confusion about what the limits actually are.


  

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