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    Irish siblings plan to get married

    Started by matty11111| 2591 posts

    An Irish couple are planning to defy the law and get married later this month, despite being brother and sister. Skip related content

    The pair, who already have a child together, have been warned that it is illegal to marry a sibling but say they are determined to do so anyway and spend their lives together.

    The couple, who have assumed the pseudonyms of James and Maura to protect their identities, claim they were unaware that they shared a father when they first met and fell in love.

    They say their attraction was so strong that within just one week of meeting they felt that they had known each other for a lifetime and within two years their son, Mark, was born.

    Speaking to the Irish Mail on Sunday, 'James' explained that despite setbacks they will be able to marry by the end of the month.

    "We were aiming for Christmas but we have decided to do it sooner," he declared.

    "Maura has got her wedding dress, we've ordered identical suits for myself and our son.

    "It will be a very small wedding. We have two witnesses who we know very well and they know about our situation.

    "I don't know whether our father will come or whether any of our parents will be there.

    "Our son is getting excited about the wedding. He knows what is happening. As for Maura and me, it hasn't really sunk in yet that we're getting married."

    When James' mother first learned who Maura's father was she was shocked and told her son the disturbing truth about their incestuous relationship.

    James and Maura explained that it was only through DNA tests and constant questioning that they discovered the full details of how they came to be half-brother and sister.

    They say that in the '80s James' mother dated a man named Tom for five weeks and never told him she was expecting his child.

    She was in a new relationship by the time James was born and named this partner as James's father on the baby's birth certificate.

    However, when his true father returned four years later and questioned if 'James' was his, a complex court case denied him access to the boy.

    James stated, "The way I see it, if the system can know about things and hide the facts, then I can do the same. They turned a blind eye and so can we.

    "People can criticise and say it is not right but they should say the same about what was done to me in the family law courts."

     

    http://uk.news.yahoo.com/38/20100913/tod-irish-siblings-plan-to-get-married-045b8e8.html

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    14 Sep 2010 @ 16:11

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    matty11111| 2591 posts

    I really dont know what to make of this. In some ways I have a lot of sympathy for them. In others I'm finding it difficult to understand how they can want to continue to be together knowing they are half-siblings.

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    14 Sep 2010 @ 02:07

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    Tweek| 6682 posts

    Due to Irish law, there's every chance this is somehow legal cause of the incorrect father's name on the blokes birth cert.

    If not, them and their witnesses are getting themselves in for serious legal shit and feck knows what possible medical horrors the kid has in its future - although they shouldn't be too bad with only one side shared.

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    14 Sep 2010 @ 02:13

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    Virtual Bunny| 1675 posts

    Incest! Why go across the road when you can go across the hall?

    Happiness is like wetting your pants, everyone can see it but only you can feel uts warmth.

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    14 Sep 2010 @ 02:17

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    matty11111| 2591 posts


    tenebear said :

    Tough one.
    Can the gays argue against a love that religion and law dont understand. Can i pass judgement on something that seems unnatural to me, when there are two consenting adults and a loving family involved.
    I feel i cant. I feel that it would make me a hypocrite to usethose words to suit me and deprive someone else of them.
    I dont understand it, I dont think i'd ever feel the way they do. But I wont judge them either


    I know what you mean. It's very difficult to criticise and yet ever so difficult to say that I support the legalisation of incest. i mean I could easily point to the health consequences and say that it is against public policy to allow such unions but I think such an argument would only be a smoke screen for the fact that I am morally against it. It really is a tough one.

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    14 Sep 2010 @ 02:36

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    zacseph| 1227 posts

    Well, I think it would be careless of them to have any further kids together knowing there's a sizeable risk involved... However, I think they should totally get married - why he heck not?!! Once they don't make too big a deal and keep their connection secret, they shouldn't have any trouble - even the state has better things to do than worry about someone exploiting a legal loophole...

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    14 Sep 2010 @ 08:11

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    azezil| 7103 posts

    Dueling banjos springs to mind...

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    14 Sep 2010 @ 08:55

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    yoyolefro| 127 posts

    Isnt there science behind their attraction. I remember reading a similar story in america a couple of years ago where a full a brother and sister were adopted separately and met up years later not knowing they were related and fell madly in love. So they went to find out their respective histories before getting married and planning kids and realized they were siblings. Scientists said that their DNA literally recognized each other as their own and that helped formed the intense attraction or something like that

    just keep swimming

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    14 Sep 2010 @ 10:20

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    legolas| 11300 posts

    It sound's like the 'complex court case' decided that the man who married Jim's mum was the best person to be the male parent, and that Tom had the lesser case as he had been away for four years. The decision probably followed the pattern of choice by the courts at the time, in line with social mores. The names on the birth cert may have had a bearing on the court decision, as a sign of parenthood acceptance, along with the care and support given to Jim and his mum by the man. 

    I'm taking a leap in the dark from here on, but if the man who accepted Jim as his son decided to sort out Jim's legitimancy in law (before or after the complex court case) by actually taking him to be his son, then I'd say the proposed marriage between Jim and Maura would be legally OK. The actual 'complex court case' decision could be regarded as backing up any such undertaking, in that it chose to give father's rights to that man, not Tom. The DNA factor may be judged irrelevant. However, If the legitimancy factor was NOT sorted out legally, then it seem's probable that Jim and Maura's proposed marriage could be legally suspect, on the face of the facts available.

    In any case, given the mores applicable now, and if Jim ans maura are a happy couple together, and their child is brought up in a happy supportive household, then the best to them.

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    14 Sep 2010 @ 10:42

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    brandyste| 774 posts


    Can the gays[we] argue against a love that religion and law dont understand. Can i pass judgement on something that seems unnatural to me, when there are two consenting adults and a loving family involved.
    I feel i cant. I feel that it would make me a hypocrite to usethose words to suit me and deprive someone else of them.
    I dont understand it, I dont think i'd ever feel the way they do. But I wont judge them either


    I don't know the legal ins and out of this but incestuous relationships are not comparable to "two [non-related]consenting adults and a loving family involved" for a whole host of reasons.

    According to When Cousins Marry, there is a one in four chance children of couples who are 1st cousin of having serious debilitating disorders, I presume those odds increases with half siblings.

    I'm not judging this particular couple, I suspect there are other cases like theirs out there that are just unknown to those involved.

    This couple do know and in a way that is a benefit to them as they now know not to have any more children and have fore warning regarding potential genetic health problems their Son might develop but the benefit of that knowledge comes with the realisation that in law siblings can not marry irrespective of whether they knew they where siblings at the outset of their relationship.

    That does not mean that they they can't carry on in a loving & sustaining relationship with one another, cohabiting and equal guardians to their child and have any the legal entitlements such family units have but for the state to agree to their marriage would be akin to the state saying they are entitled to pursue all that goes with marriage ie: further children where as in fact for this couple to have further children would be verging on criminal negligence.

    My drink (Brandy)proceeding my name(Ste) probably tells you more about me then anything I could write in this box.

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    14 Sep 2010 @ 15:48

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    DubGuy37| 4294 posts

    They say their attraction was so strong that within just one week of meeting they felt that they had known each other for a lifetime and within two years their son, Mark, was born.

     

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    14 Sep 2010 @ 16:10

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    richie9t9| 2162 posts

    "Uncle daddy why have I six fingers" Sicko's!

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    14 Sep 2010 @ 16:11

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